Ellen Levy discusses her work bridging the arts and the study of consciousness with Roger Malina. Levy argues that artists are experts and developing disorienting procedures which allow them to manipulate perception and attention. Artists seem to have particular skills at simultaneously being aware of foregrounds and backgrounds. She discusses a number of artworks that illustrate embodied cognition. The ideas in this podcast are part of the work for Ellen’s Course at the New School on Consciousness and creativity.